Past Performance is Always an Indicator of Future Results


With Space Dandy on the horizon, and the hype around Kill la Kill going strong, I’m reminded of Kids on the Slope, The Flowers of Evil, and Redline. While those three shows might have little in common visually and thematically, they do share a particular relation that I’d like to touch on.

I’ve observed a pattern with the Anti-Moé Brigade with regards to how they consume the anime they enjoy. Back when Redline’s domestic release was on the horizon, and then for a short while after the fact, the hype was absolutely massive. Though I’ve made my opinion known about that particular film, I can’t deny that the outpouring of support for it from particularly anti-moé segments of the Western fanbase was impressive. However, shortly after the domestic release, the hype and fanfare dropped off completely.

When the spring season of 2012 rolled around, people were getting really pumped for Kids on the Slope. By summer 2012, however, few were still talking about it. Psycho Pass was a thing for a bit, but when it was over, it suffered the same abandonment. In spring 2013, it was all about The Flowers of Evil, but by summer, not much more was being said about it.

Now, we’re in the thick of the fall season of 2013, and I feel like the same thing will happen to Kill la Kill, and with Space Dandy set to air in January, I predict the same fate for it, as well. For all the Anti-Moé Brigade whines about the shows moé fans like being forgettable, it sure seems to me like the moé fandom has less of a problem committing their shows to memory and carrying on the discussion around them than the Anti-Moé Brigade does.

Not only that, but the Anti-Moé Brigade can only gain from supporting the media obviously created for them. There’s no reason for them not to support media they enjoy. It’s really the only way to guarantee that more of it gets made. Moreover, lack of support will, vastly more often than not, lead to less of that kind of media, and at this point, that kind of media isn’t exactly common to begin with.

It’s like a feedback loop. The Anti-Moé Brigade complains about there being too much moé anime while not giving anime that appeals to them the support it deserves. Meanwhile, the moé fandom douses the anime they enjoy with support, and keeps talking about the shows they liked long after they’ve stopped airing. In turn, more moé shows get made, and the Anti-Moé Brigade complains about there being too much moé anime.

Part of this is the Anti-Moé Brigade’s love for controversy and being “against the grain.” Redline’s thing was that Koike wanted to make an anime specifically catering to the Western audience. Psycho Pass’s staff was banned from using the word “moé” during production. The mangaka for The Flowers of Evil said in an interview that moé fans would likely be disappointed by the anime. Kill la Kill? That’s Studio Trigger’s first TV anime, so of course it’s something to get hyped about. Space Dandy? Kids on the Slope proved that Shinichiro Watanabe’s name is enough to get people excited for an anime series, even if they don’t end up continuing to support it when all is said and done.

Controversy, large and small, is was drives the Anti-Moé Brigade’s interest and, as a result of that, any support they show for a series is fleeting, at best. When you have an audience that’s only waiting for the next big work that “shakes things up,” there’s nobody left to appreciate the work itself, and once all is said and done, and the controversy is over, they move on to the next shaker. I’ve said it before: That’s a dangerous mentality to have.

In addition to the controversy-chasing, however, is an undercurrent of entitlement. The Anti-Moé Brigade, in their constant clamour for anime to “appeal to a broader audience,” doesn’t seem to care that that “broader audience” (which includes the Anti-Moé Brigade, incidentally) has proven time and time again to be unreliable consumers, even of media specifically aimed at them. They will complain about the disproportionate amount of anime aimed at moé otaku, but refuse to accept the reason things have ended up that way, even when it is explained to them.

I reasonably enjoyed what I saw of Free!, for what it was. Like The Flowers of Evil, however, most of its publicity came through controversy, when a minority of moé fans spewed hate in the wake of the commercial airing, were jumped on for it, and then suffered childish retaliation when the anime proper was announced. I hear it’s doing pretty well in Japan sales-wise, however, and I sincerely hope all of the people who came out and shouted down the moé fans in support of KyoAni appealing to fujoshi go out and buy the series, if it ever gets picked up for a domestic disc release.

I’m having a good time with Kill la Kill, so far. My hopes are high for it, but I fear that once it’s finished airing, everyone will have moved on and it will fall by the wayside, because much of the interest for it is driven by its status as Studio Trigger’s first TV anime.

I probably won’t watch Space Dandy. It’s just not my kind of sci-fi, to be honest. I do, however, predict the same fate for it. The hype may be very much alive now, but once it’s finished airing, it’ll fade quite quickly, because the draw for many of the people hyping it is nothing more than who’s making it and what it looks like on the surface. How do I know this will happen? Because it’s happened several times before in similar situations and because past performance is always an indicator of future results. That being the case, I’ll be pleasantly surprised if I turn out to be wrong.

Surprise me on this one, Anti-Moé Brigade. Please surprise me.

Stay frosty.

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58 thoughts on “Past Performance is Always an Indicator of Future Results

  1. And yet on the flipside, the AMB still talk and clamour for anime like Akira, GITS SAC and Cowboy Bebop like they still matter. So they generally only care about a small pool of anime along with hyping the ever living fuck out of certain upcoming titles but then totally abandoning them once it comes to time to support it on BD/DVD.

  2. This whole thing about hyping up a show then not supporting it and completely forgetting about it is the exact reason why I have a difficult time taking most of the Western fanbase seriously. Really, they’re using moe as a scapegoat. They blame it all on people “cynically creating” the shows they hate and they blame it on moe itself, when the truth is that they won’t take responsibility for the fact that it’s actually their fault that there aren’t enough shows that appeal to them. They blame people like us for the “downfall” of anime, when all we’re doing is supporting things we enjoy like a true fan should.

  3. We get it. You true fans are so autistic you will obsess over the same thing for years on end, and everyone else is an armband-wearing member of the AMB. Way to project your own insecurities.

    • Nope, nope, and nope.

      I know it’s easier to project your own incredibly biased perceptions about moé fans on everyone than it is to live in the real world, but yes, let’s live in the real world for a bit so I can explain this to you.

      First of all, moé fans actually have very little to be insecure about. In fact, the only reason many moé fans are insecure about their fandom is because people like you insist they be.

      Second of all, “obsessing over the same thing for years on end” leads to sales, does it not? And sales will lead to more media like it being made. It’s called being excited and investing oneself in a work of media, which are evidently things the Anti-Moé Brigade doesn’t like to do.

      You can make fun of people for enjoying the same show years after it finished airing, but when the alternative is being so dispassionate and entitled as to show fleeting support to whatever’s the big thing at the moment, and then complain about the lack of media aimed at them, I’d much rather associate myself with the people who’ve enjoyed the same show for years on-end.

      Though, seeing your use of the word “autistic,” I’d say that you’re probably just another one of those people who, rather than endeavouring to solve a problem when someone points out a problem that’s gone unnoticed, gets really mad at the person who pointed the problem out and calls people names, because deep down, you know there’s a problem with how the Anti-Moé Brigade consumes and discusses anime, but you don’t like that to be pointed out by someone who identifies with fans you don’t like, so you call people names.

      In a nutshell, it’s obvious that you don’t really have an argument, but you’re still mad that Taskforce MOE pointed this out, so now we’re “autistic” and “insecure.” Sounds to me like you’re just hostile to discussion that doesn’t jive with your worldview. That’s insecurity, sir.

      • Exactly. I absolutely can’t stand it when people use autism or Asperger’s Disorder as an insult. Not all moe fans have those disorders, and continuing to talk about things we enjoy does not make us obsessive or insecure. I mean, people still talk about things that came out years ago. Star Wars is still as popular as ever and people still talk about it. Does that make Star Wars fans obsessive and insecure people with autism? No. That just means Star Wars is a classic that stands the test of time and is able to still appeal to people despite how old it is. Us moe fans feel the same way about shows we like. Continuously talking about a show years after it finished shows a show’s and fanbase’s strength, not weakness. It shows the series is really THAT good and the fans are loyal.

        • It’s a freaking cartoon, dude. Nobody cares how “loyal” you are. It’s a stupid thing to be loyal to.

          • And you just proved Anubis’s point about lack of dedication on the AMB front.

            How’s that Redline 2 coming along?

          • It may just be a cartoon to you, but to me, they have very sentimental meanings. The characters and themes have gotten me through rough times because I’ve learned a lot from them. Anime isn’t just a cartoon to me. It’s art. Maybe you don’t care about me being loyal, but I do, and so do many other people.

          • Yo Mikey Welcome back bro!

            I am glad you came back after your ass raping yesterday! I am glad you came back because I was bored! You really are a great friend! 😀

            As I’ve said before, you seem to be pretty thick in the head seeing as how you can’t understand the concept of “advice”.

            Advice is something that other people give to others to help them out which is what me and my fellow colleagues were trying to do. You also fail to understand that while yes anime is a cartoon, its still a product.

            You see there are these people called “Licencors” they have this very special job of bringing these cartoons over here and it costs them a lot of money to do so. So for Drawingirl over here to be loyal means good business and she’ll get more of what she likes.

            Ya know, you would too if you would actually listen to my advice.

            I know this is hard for you to understand (since you probably can’t count to ten yet) but I’ll repeat this for you because you are just so special.

            “Shut the fuck up and actually buy anime that you like”

            Its really not that hard.

            Later Mikey-Chan! 😀

          • “Continuing to support and appreciate the media you enjoy greatly is stupid.”

            That’s literally what you’re saying. Say that out loud to yourself. Sounds dumb when you say it out loud, doesn’t it?

            This is the problem with how, not just the Anti-Moé, but a lot of the modern Western anime fandom consumes anime. They treat it as the same consumable, disposable media produced by domestic companies, and that will never work for a foreign product. There’s a reason we use the term “anime” to specifically describe Japanese animation. It’s supposed to be something special to us, but a lot of us don’t treat it that way.

            Anime is something that requires loyalty to have any measurable degree of success in the Western market. You can’t just turn around and say “loyalty is stupid” just because you don’t like are loyal to their media and expect to be taken seriously. If anyone wants more anime, they need to support the industry. This industry can’t survive in a vacuum. It needs fans to support it and, if you think supporting media you want to see more of is stupid, I don’t know what to say to you, other than, with that attitude, I sincerely hope that you never become a producer of creative media that requires any fan support to be sustainable.

          • @mike “I’m a condescending asshole” lowrey

            “It’s a freaking cartoon, dude. Nobody cares how “loyal” you are. It’s a stupid thing to be loyal to.”

            In other words, you’ve just admitted to not caring about the shit you support, yet feel the need to continue to show how “cool” and “normal” you are by name calling others who don’t think or act as “normal” as you do.

            Why don’t you show us on the doll where Konata Izumi touched you?

          • @ChuuniJof127
            Konata-chan didn’t touch me. Believe it or not I own the Japanese blurays of Lucky Star. That just shows how ridiculous your concept of the AMB is; it doesn’t exist. I’ve been an anime fan since the 90s. I probably own more blurays, manga volumes, figures and anime cels than most of you guys. But I don’t consider myself “loyal” to any series and I don’t let the cartoons I watch define who I am as a person.

            @TsukuyomiMagi99 @Timeenforceranubis
            I do buy anime. and I watch anime 100% legally, believe it or not. Which is more than I can say for a lot of moe fans, e.g. people on 4chan who consider it sacrilege to watch a legal stream.

          • Why is it wrong to be loyal to a show you like? Or let me be even broader, what is wrong with being loyal to a movie, book, or franchise that you like anime or otherwise.

            Saying that is 4chan is the reps for the moe fandom is like saying the WBC represent Christianity.

          • @mike lowrey

            If you do buy anime and you do support the media you like, then why are you still mad that I’m pointing out the problem of people who don’t? We should be on the same page here, but we’re not because you see fit to draw stupid lines over nothing.

            Using 4chan as representative of the entire moé fandom is dumb, plain and simple, and shows a remarkable ignorance of anime fandom, in general.

            Also, putting goatse.cx as your website? Seriously, guy? What are you, twelve? “Heeheehee, I’ll show all those dumb moé fans! When they click on my name, they’ll be taken to Goatse!” If you’re mad, just leave. Shit like that gets you not taken seriously here.

          • Hey everybody its our favorite special snowflake Mikey-chan whose has graced with his presence for a third time! In order to commemorate this special occasion I am going to put a gold star sticker next to your name on the board Mikey! Oh wait, I am sorry Mikey-chan importing shows like Arthur and the Teletubbies from another country don’t count! And since you provided us with a shitty link to try and prove your credibility makes you even more hilarious! God keep it up Mikey! This is fun you sure know how to provide some good entertainment! 😀

            But since your such a special little snowflake I am going to indulge ya. If you really are what you claim to be instead of the lying sack of shit that I think you are then why are you arguing with us?

            This article and these comments are directed towards you they are targeting towards the lazy ass hypocritical pricks who bitch and moan but don’t buy shit when they get what they want. I guess you have trouble with reading comprehension but don’t worry you’ll understand someday. Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to! My Bad!

            And you haven’t proven shit about there not being any AMB just because you’re the exception to the rule. And I find it completely laughable that you accuse us of generalizing people when your doing that to us! I know this might be hard for you to believe but guess what I have other interests outside of moe! Gasp, shocking I know! The fans here are just passionate about what they like.

            But hey Mikey-chan, our little special snowflake keep the hilarity coming because I am having an awesome time!

            Later Mikey-Chan! 😀

          • Sorry Mikey-Chan

            I meant you aren’t the ones we are targeting towards this title.

            Have a nice day!

          • @ Mike McBadtroll

            It’s cool that you do collect a lot of merchandise related to the anime you like and whatnot. Even then, it doesn’t matter how much shit you’ve been collecting since the 90’s. It doesn’t change the fact that you’re a condescending thundercunt with a superiority complex.

            Also, nice that you have Goatse as your main webpage. I guess that shows how badass and mature and awesome you are compared to us. Dismissed young man!

    • @mike lowrey

      No, you don’t get it. Granted if you do “get it,” then you’d be willing to have a discussion about it. But instead you choose to resort to name calling in order to make your point. If the only point you’re trying to make is how much of an egotistical condescending asshole you and the rest of the moe-hating Zac Bertschy types are, then congrats, you’ve succeeded.

    • Hey Mike,

      The minute you mention “autistic” your reply loses all credibility. The AMB can’t accept the fact that other like something they can’t stand. That is fine but don’t berate them for liking moe which is not killing the anime industry.

    • @mike lowrey

      Your post disgusts me because you felt the need to conflate autism, a serious condition that affects millions of people worldwide, with moé fandom. Any point to your post is overshadowed by this bigotry. Autistic individuals come from many different backgrounds and don’t automatically like moé anime just because they are autistic; they are human beings who deserve dignity and respect. Using the word “autistic” as a derogatory term to describe negative attributes of moé fandom is not only in bad taste, but it is downright disrespectful to those who live with this condition.

      I sincerely hope you will mature and learn it is NEVER okay to call someone autistic in order to make fun of them or demean them because you may disagree with them on something as trivial as the media they consume. Please show some more decency and respect for other people when you post. (Sorry for the slight rant Anubis, this post made me upset and I needed to respond).

  4. I’ve been saying the part about supporting your shit for years but I guess they’d rather bitch than be proactive in their fandom. I wonder how many copies of Darker than Black, Morbito, Piano no Mori, or Eden of the East have sold over here. Hell, even something like Madoka hasn’t really done much and is still a niche franchise over here despite being a cult hit. Way to go AMB, you’re fucking amazing I can see how much you really love anime. :/

    Its an interesting proposition that people just like to start shit just for the sake of it. I never thought about that.

    Yo Mike Buddy! I have an interesting idea for ya how about you stop projecting your butthurt on people who call you out on your bullshit? Instead of making excuses about Anubis’s perceived elitism could you just oh I don’t know shut the fuck up and actually buy the shit you like? Cause that would be great. 🙂

  5. to add to the discussion of the topic at hand, I think it’s been discussed to death, but I don’t get what’s so wrong with supporting the shows you love. These people say that *insert title* will save the anime industry; yet don’t bother to back that up by buying the show when it comes out on blu-ray. I even went ahead and imported certain shows right before they came out.

    To me, anime isn’t something that has a three-year lifespan. The stuff that I love should be timeless. If it’s wrong to think that way, then I’d rather be someone who simply enjoys the titles I love, rather than spew out excessive knowledge and badmouth others for liking stuff they don’t like.

    • Hey AMB,

      You see this guy right here, I know him and if he loves a title he’ll go out of his way to spend his hard earned cash to import what he likes regardless of the cost! Something you all should consider.

  6. Hmm, I dont think support for it ends I just think they dont have such a loud fanbase. Us Moe fans are pretty loud the subject matter we consume kind of wants us to be that way. Moe is kinda like Gundam they are made to sell merchandise, well most of them anyway.

    • I don’t know how far I’d go with saying the Anti-Moé Brigade isn’t a loud fanbase. They’ve certainly been loud enough to shout down pro-moé sentiment until the past couple years, and they’re certainly loud about these shows before they air.

      The hype for Redline was huge, but where was the support for it after it released? Everyone was talking about Aku no Hana back in Spring, but now no one is talking about Aku no Hana. These shows might not have the merchandising strength that your average moé show might have, but people could at least be carrying on the discussion, and they’re not.

      The Anti-Moé Brigade is loud, but they can’t get loud about the stuff they like for long enough to make sure it does well. They’ll be really pumped for a while, but when it comes time to put up or shut up, to support the works they want to see more of, they’ve already gone back to complaining about moé and moé fans. Then they wonder why the stuff they like does so badly, and in the meantime, they hate on moé fans for still enjoying the same shows for years.

      It seems to me like they just can’t be positive about something long enough to actually give it the support it deserves.

      • That’s an interesting insight. I wonder to what extent the average person in the AMB ever goes back to watch shows that they previously enjoyed, verses the average moé fan.

        Are the AMB always looking forwards to the next show, because they are constantly seeking something “new” and “different”? Are the moé fans content to revisit previously watched shows, because they’ll find new subtleties that they missed before? Perhaps moé fans find enjoyment on shows that are different variations on similar themes, while the AMB can’t comprehend why anyone would want to again watch what seems to them to be the same ol’ thing over and over.

        I have no answers, just more questions. 🙂

        • Actually I think they rewatch they shows they like. Hence why they haven’t shut up about Cowboy Bebop 15 years later.

    • Okay AMB, I am going to share the secret that Japanese Otaku have been using to support their shows.

      1. There’s this thing called money you use it to buy things with.

      2. There are these places called “stores” which sell these things called “products” you can find them in your neighborhood or online.

      3. Now here’s the tricky part so pay extra close attention you use step one combine it with step two to perform this action called “buying”.

      Now once you understand this and the more you have people doing what you are doing then more of this product is made. Maybe this such an advanced concept for you but don’t worry, you’ll get it. 😉

      • Oh, there are some AMB weenies that do buy anime, but they think buying it YEARS after its release, at a con will do anything.

        Or you know, you can go and learn animation and make your own Redline Bebop.

        • I think it’s probably because none of them are talented enough to create their own stories. Even then, that probably makes their complaining even less justified.

    • I hate to break to you, but statistics can lie depending on the research in question. There are studies that are done which actually break Sherlock Holmes’s 2nd rule “From what I observe, I deduce everything”. In other words you base your conclusions on what is observed and what the evidence points to.

      The problem is that there are times where that rule is broken in which the conclusion has already been created and they look for evidence to back that conclusion up. So people can use false statistics if a person is motivated by something to prove themselves right. Things such as false or inaccurate reporting or certain types of bias getting in the way can cause people to create false and misleading statistics.

      I am not saying that this is the case here, but it does happen.

    • @VZMkII

      Very good point. If people think [Advanced] Capitalism is bad then what would they replace it with? Communism? Socialism? Fascism? I could just as easily argue based on historical fact that any of the latter three systems I just mentioned have been more enslaving and detrimental to free thought and enterprise. These three systems intrinsically indoctrinate their people with the idea the government, and its leadership, is infallible and has the best interest of all in mind; the reality is the top brass only has their prosperity in mind and will adopt an end justifies the means approach to governing regardless of how detrimental their actions and policies will be on the masses. When a powerful and one-sided government decides the rules of your economy you can forget about free markets and supply and demand economics; the conditions that are necessary for original (non-indoctrinating) works, like many anime, to be mass produced and sold in the first place.

      In contrast, a relatively free market or mixed market society will allow people to vote with their dollars. Any company unable to adapt to selling the products and services the market demands will fail because they will stop making money.

      Capitalism puts the power in the hands of the consumer; we have a chance to put our money where our mouth is and actually pay for products and services we desire. Anubis is spot on when he says the AMB crowd fails to do this by and large because if they did Flowers of Evil and Kids on the Slope would be selling gangbusters. The reality is they are all talk and little substance, as it’s easier to just blame moé for their preferred type of anime not being made than it is to actually put their hard earned money on the line and support what they love; it’s a risk because they have to count on others doing the same, but their actions speak volumes of their defeatist attitude. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as the AMB says “well this anime is not popular, so me buying it won’t make a difference” when the reality is them having this attitude is what actually kills the anime they like from being made again; the anime studios see low sales figures and decide it’s safer to stick with making more moé shows that have proven sales records than take more chances on shows that did not sell well.

      The bottom line is buy what you love and it will have an impact, no matter how small, on what gets green-lit latter on, and don’t have the attitude my purchase does not matter so I won’t buy. Otherwise, nothing will change in the marketplace.

  7. @ drawingirl94

    I like talking about girls though as long as they’re 2-D especially considering all the naughty things I wanna do to them. 😉

    • Well, I’m pretty sure talking about real girls is fine if you want to be in a serious relationship. And besides, when I talk about anime women, I don’t just talk about sexual things. I think a lot of anime women would make great real life girlfriends.

  8. I have no interest in the Anime I like, being considered normal, popular or cool. I like what I like. It’s taken a lot of time and maturity, for me to be confident in what I like. I actually thank this site for helping me out with that. I hid the Anime I watched for years, because of the way I thought people would view me. Is it cool that Space Dandy will air on Adult Swim, sure, cool, hell, I will watch it.

    I like space stuff. I seriously hope that Space Dandy is successful. I hope all anime is successful and finds an audience. I like to see art succeed, but here is the thing, if you can’t appreciate what you like, then you will never be happy. A lot of people (AMB or people in general) have a hard time dealing with what they enjoy. People need to get over what others think about them, and like, what they like.

    Kill La Kill has been a lot of fun this season, but man I can’t wait to spend way to much money on a Mirai figure from Beyond the Boundary/Kyōkai no Kanata. Not to support the industry, that’s a nice bonus, but because I’m happy to pay 80-200 dollars on a nice figure of a character I like, to have in my curio cabinet.

    Most “normal” people will not actually get that. Most normal American people don’t get Animation outside of Shrek or Disney. I don’t get watching football. That’s the normal thing for people my age to watch, I’ll buy my Inu X Boku SS figures. We can talk, have a beer, I’m sure we have a common interest somewhere, but no one has to explain what they like, to each other.

  9. Seriously. People like Mike “McBadtroll” Lowrey only goes to strengthen Anubis’ points about the attitude of these type of people. I also find it ironic that he claims to have all this merchandise from the 90’s (especially those imported Lucky Star dvds,) yet feels the need to put down other people who do the same thing with the stuff they like. Granted there are some shows that I dislike/hate. However, I’m not one to put down fans of the show; but rather discuss about some of the merits that they see in it that I don’t. And vice versa.

    Calling moe fans autistic paedophiles is no better than saying people who like stuff like Strike Witches and Kantai Collection are right wing, gun-toting nutjobs who want to bring down Obama.

    But anyways, I’m done with this clown. Talking with these types of people is like trying to have a civil discussion with a WBC member.

    • I didnt say anyone was a pedo and I didn’t say theres anything wrong with supporting anime by buying merch.

      My point was with statements like this: “However, shortly after the domestic release, the hype and fanfare dropped off completely.”
      and this site in general. Of course the hype and fanfare drops off, because people go and watch other things.

      You guys problem is you internalize the media you consume and take it so personally when someone criticizes it. Stop being so concerned with what other people think. Its just a cartoon. You are not your anime, you are not your fucking khakis.

      • The dropoff of hype shouldn’t be a problem, in theory, and wouldn’t if it didn’t lead to a lacking sales. Anime industry, especially in the West, needs money to survive and the issue is that the Anti-Moé Brigade hypes these shows up and gets really pumped for them because these shows the kind of media that’s meant to appeal to them, but when it comes time to put money on the table and support the release, they’ve already moved on to something else.

        You think it’s stupid to still be hyped about a show years after its release. We get it. That’s not the issue here, though. The issue is that we have a group of people who consistently give light support to the media they enjoy and who, again, consistently, complain about how well “moé anime” sells in comparison to other stuff, especially stuff aimed at them, and who choose to ignore the real reason this happens in favor of such dumbassed arguments as “The Japanese just have shitty taste.” The reality is, these shows, though often aimed at the Western fanbase, go significantly undersupported by that very fanbase, despite the massive Western fanbase hype-train built up every time one of these shows is on the horizon.

        The problem isn’t the Taskforce MOE crowd “internalizing the media we consume.” That’s a weak-ass argument that I’ve dealt with countless times before. The problem isn’t that people don’t like our media. The problem is that people don’t give our media a fair shake, that they value-judge us because of the media they consume, that they call us stuff like “autistic” and “pedophile” because of the media we choose to consume or the way we choose to consume it, and that they endeavour to keep us underfoot to lift themselves up and serve their own ends.

        Don’t get it twisted, and if it’s “just a cartoon,” you tell me why moé fans are called names and derided all the time.

      • Well Mikey-chan,

        I give up you are quite persistent for someone who doesn’t address our points and was the first to be butthurt by what Anubis said. To where you had to call us autistic so you should take your own advice.

        Thanks for killing my boredom but honestly you’ve just become an annoying roach who won’t quit after he’s been stepped on.

        So see ya Mikey-chan! Come back and play with us again when you’ve grown a brain.

  10. What the hell kind of Hype did you want for REDLINE? It was one movie (and an extremely good one at that–your review missed the point so astronomically it was cringe-worthy). It was a good movie, people liked it, but it was still one movie. And not everyone has forgotten about it. Just because don’t talk about EVERY WAKING SECOND of every day, does not mean people forgot it.

    The other shows you mentioned–the “anti-moe brigade” did not abandon them, they pleasantly enjoyed them and them let them be. Such shows are rare. There’s no need to endlessly talk about them; all one has to do is take them in, enjoy the experience, and wait patiently for shows like them. They know the shows won’t sell well in Japan. That doesn’t matter to them.

    “Kill la Kill? That’s Studio Trigger’s first TV anime, so of course it’s something to get hyped about.”

    No. People got hype because Hiroyuki Imaishi, the incredibly fucking awesome director of Gurren Lagann and Panty and Stocking and Dead Leaves was making it, while the Gurren Lagann writer was penning the story. That’s why I watched it, and that’s probably why many others watched it.

    You sound rather elitist throughout this whole paper (“See, THEY don’t support their shows (but we do!)”–I should say that this “us vs. them” mentality you built this whole goddamn blog around is childish but that’s another show) I don’t see people talking about CLANNAD or K-On! (just two examples of super-popular “moe” shows)all the time. Are you gonna say that the moe fans forgot them? Of course not.

    Also, the fact that you never acknowledged REDLINE’s amazing OST in your review (And It’s So Beautiful is one of the best songs ever made for a Japanese animated work EVER) makes me a sad man.

    • I would’ve liked to see the hype similar to how it went on leading up to its release. Redline was supposed to be the watershed film for anime to the people who were conducting that hype train. This was a film that was supposed to “save anime,” and now it’s little more than a running joke on NTR Radio. I see maybe two or three even mention it nowadays. Yes, it is just one film, but remember, this was the film that was supposed to change the game for a lot of people, and from the looks of it, it had its extremely short 15 milliseconds in the spotlight, and faded into obscurity.

      As for “enjoying shows and letting them be,” if that’s what the Anti-Moé Brigade wants to do, that’s fine, but then they don’t get to complain about there not being enough anime made for them. They want anime that caters to them? Then they need to start showing that they can support this stuff past just watching it once and being done with it.

      My point with Kill la Kill is that the Anti-Moé Brigade people hyped about it are hyped not because the show looks interesting to them, but because of auxiliary factors, like the studio or the staff.

      I see plenty of people still talk about Clannad and K-ON. More than I see still talking about Aku no Hana, Kids on the Slope, Psycho Pass , or Redline, and all of those works are younger than both K-ON and Clannad.

      And as far as the Redline OST goes, I didn’t find it to be particularly memorable. It wasn’t bad (or else I’d remember is), but I didn’t find it good enough to commit it to memory.

      • “As for “enjoying shows and letting them be,” if that’s what the Anti-Moé Brigade wants to do, that’s fine, but then they don’t get to complain about there not being enough anime made for them. They want anime that caters to them? Then they need to start showing that they can support this stuff past just watching it once and being done with it.”

        There are two different kinds of people in this supposed “anti-moe brigade” you keep bringing up.

        One does not like moe, likes the anime you’re talking about, and thinks that they are entitled to have shows they like made without question.

        The second is very similar, but they simply wait patiently for new shows they like to come out.

        You keep thinking that the first is the majority when they’re a tiny minority.

        And you know why they don’t often support the anime they like? Because it’s pointless. It’s like a snowball rolling down a hill. Type-A anime gets made, doesn’t sell well, Type-A fans think “well, it’s not like anything I’ll do will help” and so they just sort of accept that these shows will fail on principle. Is that a good idea? Fuck, I dunno, but it’s probably a good idea of what happens.

        “My point with Kill la Kill is that the Anti-Moé Brigade people hyped about it are hyped not because the show looks interesting to them, but because of auxiliary factors, like the studio or the staff.”

        How is this any different from moe fans excitedly talking about what studio they want to make their favorite show? Remember the MASSIVE shitstorm about J.C Staff doing Little Busters! and not KyoAni? Or how anytime DEEN works on something people are all “oh god why DEEN”? Moe fans care just as much about who’s making a show as non-moe fans.

        The studio and staff making a show are not auxiliary factors. The director, the composer, the writer…they and many more fundamentally craft what the show is. Hidamari Sketch would not be the same if SHAFT and Shinbo weren’t making it. Madoka would not be the same if Urobuchi was not the writer. CLANNAD and all the other Key works would be tremendously different if they weren’t being crafted by KyoAni’s intense passion and detail. I don’t even know how you could say that the staff and studio are auxilliary! They make the whole damn show down to the artstyle, the writing, the music…THEY are a massive factor in how the show turns out! The same idea done by one studio could be terrible while it could be amazing done by another.

        • “There are two different kinds of people in this supposed “anti-moe brigade” you keep bringing up.

          One does not like moe, likes the anime you’re talking about, and thinks that they are entitled to have shows they like made without question.

          The second is very similar, but they simply wait patiently for new shows they like to come out.

          You keep thinking that the first is the majority when they’re a tiny minority.”

          The “Anti-Moé Brigade” (I use a specific term to refer to these people for a reason) is only the first. The second, I have no quarrel with.

          “And you know why they don’t often support the anime they like? Because it’s pointless. It’s like a snowball rolling down a hill. Type-A anime gets made, doesn’t sell well, Type-A fans think “well, it’s not like anything I’ll do will help” and so they just sort of accept that these shows will fail on principle. Is that a good idea? Fuck, I dunno, but it’s probably a good idea of what happens.”

          They need to get off the bitch train, then. Pure and simple. They need to realize that the anime that sells gets more like it made, so there’s really no excuse for not supporting the anime they enjoy.

          “How is this any different from moe fans excitedly talking about what studio they want to make their favorite show? Remember the MASSIVE shitstorm about J.C Staff doing Little Busters! and not KyoAni? Or how anytime DEEN works on something people are all “oh god why DEEN”? Moe fans care just as much about who’s making a show as non-moe fans.

          The studio and staff making a show are not auxiliary factors. The director, the composer, the writer…they and many more fundamentally craft what the show is. Hidamari Sketch would not be the same if SHAFT and Shinbo weren’t making it. Madoka would not be the same if Urobuchi was not the writer. CLANNAD and all the other Key works would be tremendously different if they weren’t being crafted by KyoAni’s intense passion and detail. I don’t even know how you could say that the staff and studio are auxilliary! They make the whole damn show down to the artstyle, the writing, the music…THEY are a massive factor in how the show turns out! The same idea done by one studio could be terrible while it could be amazing done by another.”

          Here’s my point: The end product is the end product, really regardless of who made it. Names are just names. I loved Hidamari Sketch, but not because SHAFT and Shinbo did it. I loved it because it’s Hidamari Sketch, and all that entails. I don’t like everything SHAFT has made. I loved Clannad. It’s one of my favorite anime, but I don’t like everything KyoAni has made. It’s not about the people who made the work, it’s about the work itself. All due respect to the hard-working and talented men and women who make the shows we love, it isn’t about them.

  11. “And you know why they don’t often support the anime they like? Because it’s pointless. It’s like a snowball rolling down a hill. Type-A anime gets made, doesn’t sell well, Type-A fans think “well, it’s not like anything I’ll do will help” and so they just sort of accept that these shows will fail on principle. Is that a good idea? Fuck, I dunno, but it’s probably a good idea of what happens.”

    This is a pathetic excuse. So instead of being proactive and showing that the west is a more fertile ground for anime distribution they would rather just give up and make excuses. Then they have the gall to come over to our neck of the woods and tell us that “Moe iz teh CANZER of the industry!” or use slurs like “pedophile” and “misogynist” and you don’t see anything slightly hypocritical about that? I guess its easier to not take responsibility for your own actions.

    You call Anubis childish, but then you come on here with your first post throwing a tantrum and yet he answered you civilly. Pot meet kettle. All Anubis is saying in this article is that if you want more Lain, Morbito, Dennou Coil, Death Note, GITS, Bebop, and Redline you should vote with your fucking wallets. That isn’t elitism, its common sense. And while there are elitists on our side of the fence there a minority compared to the elitists on the anti-moe side.

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